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Monday, October 12, 2020

Review of Dianne Lake’s book: Member of The Family

UNEDITED

[spoilers]


I took my time in reading this one, trying to go slow and remember just about everything I could. Overall, I would say that this is a good book, but out of 5 stars, I’d rate this a 3.5. It’s good at times, and it drags on at times. I felt like the book started out interesting and I couldn’t put it down. I was shocked in a way that her parents were the ones that essentially started her on the path to ending up with the Manson family. I was shocked for sure when I read that her grandfather molested her. I was disgusted that someone would do that.


When reading about how her father had an itch to express his creative self and get away from the ‘nuclear family’ life, I could understand in a way. I know what’s it’s like growing up in the Midwest, and there’s not to do, let alone feel like you can thrive creatively. What I don’t understand is why was her father such a complete…air head? He was a misogynistic, self centered, cheating, lying asshole that put himself instead of his family first. The fact that he really thought that there wasn’t something fishy with exchanging their house for a trailer to travel to California to just shows how gullible both parents were. I feel like Dianne’s mother essentially went along for the ride with Clarence/Chance, since back in the 50’s it was still taboo to be a single mother.


When Clarence eventually left Dianne’s mother for another woman and bailed to California, I felt that was a sign, a gift even, for her mother to have the freedom from the loser that Clarence was. It is unfortunate that he essentially came wallowing back, and I wonder if he only wanted his wife and kids back because the other woman was tired of him. Later on when they lived in Santa Monica and their dad started doing all the pseudo-intelligent hippie things (like chopping down the table’s height) I couldn’t help but roll my eyes. What bothered me the most was that the dad would have ‘intelligent discussions’ while high with the other hippies, and yet didn’t seem to think anything significant with the idea of feminism? I’m surprised for someone that ran all the way to California to leave the Midwest life didn’t open himself up to other open minded concepts of the time.


I won’t lie and say that the majority of the blame doesn’t lie with Dianne’s dad. If he was a stable partner, and didn’t encourage Dianne’s mother to be so submissive, then none of the family members wouldn’t have turned out the way they did. I can’t say that Dianne’s mother isn’t at fault though, since she was part of the problem too. If her mother never went back to her dad, Dianne wouldn’t have turned into a mess.


What I, and other people, find disturbing with the book is how much Dianne talks about sex. It’s one thing to bring it up when it’s part of the story, but once she brought up how she lost her virginity, it was like the floodgates were down and there were anecdotes about sex everywhere. Underage stuff. Dianne was about 15 for majority of the stuff in her story, give or take. The fact that she went from essentially a shy young teen to describing how she’d “seduce” men to appease charlie or something was just so...bleh. I’m sorry, I just don’t want to read that stuff.


There were interesting bits in the story that I hadn’t learned anywhere else. With Dianne’s book I learned who apparently was Susan Atkins’ baby daddy ( a guy named old bruce), of which was a totally different person that what other people have said. For example, Jeff Guinn wrote that apparently Susan thought that the father was “probably some guy that she met in Arizona” while the family were first traveling around in the black bus. Also, apparently Dianne bit the umbilical cord for Susan’s baby? That’s something that I had never known before. Which honestly, is interesting, because there was always the rumor that Charlie had bit the umbilical cord for when his baby Michael was born (but according to Dianne’s book, Charlie used a scalpel).


There were things that I wish she would have brought up, that didn’t seem to appear at all. For example, she didn’t bring up how did Susan find out she was pregnant, and what did the other family members do? What was Charlie’s reaction? Also, she briefly mentions that Sandy Good had her baby...and that the women nursed on Sandy’s breasts so that she’d still make milk while they were locked up in Inyo. Disturbing. But Dianne never brought up that Sandy was even pregnant until after she had had the baby. I wish that perhaps moments like these would have been talked about, because one of the points of the Manson family was for them to apparently make as many babies as they could. Ironically, only a few of the members seemed to have had any. I’ve read that Sandy’s baby was actually Bobby’s, and I hoped that perhaps Dianne could have confirmed that.


When the book got to the point of Dennis Wilson’s appearance, it started to drag. It was like that part of the book was in a super slow mode, and there’s details there too that were also not gone over. For example, it’s Manson lore that the family used up so much money from Dennis while they overstayed their welcome. And yet, Dianne really only mentioned one hospital visit because Sadie gave them all gonorrhea.


It is apparent that Dianne is a woman of faith, and near the end of the book, it kind of just starts ramping up. I wasn’t disgusted, but it seemed kind of too much. Surprisingly, her book ends at her having testified in court, and not talking about much after. I feel like her book suffered the same pitfall that Jeff Guinn’s did, where both books seemed to have sort of rushed near the end to just be done with it. For example, Guinn’s book didn’t go over the trial as much as I would have expected, and Dianne’s is the same way. There’s also so much more to the book that I would have liked to know about past her Manson experience, that she didn’t talk about at all.


The epilogue talks a little bit about how she traveled Europe with a guy named Jim and that relationship sort of faded away. She eventually met her husband and had her kids, and that fateful night that she told her kids that she used to be a Manson girl was one of the biggest parts of the after part. Unfortunately her husband passed away from cancer about five years ago now. She’s found love again. I’m unsure what she’s up to now, and if she’d ever write another book again.


Considering how much focus there was on her childhood and the wrongs that her father did in the first half of the story, I was expecting to see some sort of follow up on that. Unfortunately we never hear about her father again after the one visit her parents were allowed when Dianne was in the mental hospital. All I know about her mother is that she moved to Oregon and had another baby. I’m really curious what happened to her father, what did he ever end up doing in his life, and what ever became of Dianne’s siblings? Did they harbor any resentment to their parents?


What I think that this book is good for, is understanding how the dynamic of the family worked, to some extent. I feel the same way about Guinn’s book too. Whereas Helter Skelter was much more about the legal proceedings, the two former books gave a pretty good insight as to how the family worked, and why some people felt too hypnotized to get away.


My only two gripes are that, the “descent into madness” that Charlie started to exhibit kind of just came out of nowhere, and the writing seemed to depreciate near the end of the book. There was just a lot of weird ways that things were worded, like as if no one bothered to re-read it to ensure that it made sense. Would I recommend this to someone that has never read anything about Manson before? No. I think that this is one of those books that you read if you are deep into the rabbit hole, know who everyone is, how most of the dynamics already were. Otherwise, I feel like reading the things that Dianne wrote, especially in the first half of the book, may be lost on you.


[SCORE: 3.5/5]

Tuesday, May 5, 2020

Potential Other Victims of The Manson Family: Doreen Gaul and James Sharp [pt. 1]

Even the most out of the loop person is familiar with Charles Manson, and at least the murder of Sharon Tate. What many people may not know, is that there are many people still speculated to have been murdered before, and after the Tate-LaBianca case. I have covered Marina Habe and Reet Jurvetson (Jane Doe 59) before, but please remember to include them in this following list of people. As a note, I would just like to preface and say that I cannot be sure myself how any of these people were murdered, but many articles, books, and blogs other than mine have speculated about these other murders also.

James Sharp and Doreen Gaul

Doreen Gaul

These two are typically bundled together, because their bodies were found at the same place.

On November 21st, 1969, a man named Alex Risk was driving down the alley at the rear of 1138 Magnolia St, Los Angeles, when he saw what looked like two drunk people passed out. Risk went to Emmett Rush’s house (I am unsure if Rush and Risk were friends or not. I assume so), telling him what he saw and the two came back together. Alex got out of his car and came near the bodies, seeing blood; he immediately called the police.

The bodies of James Sharp (15) and Doreen Gaul (19) were found in the alley behind the residence of South Magnolia, though they had been killed somewhere else, with the bodies dumped in the found location. There was evidence of blanket fuzz on Doreen’s left leg and head, and multiple threads found on James. Doreen’s body was found nude with the exception of a necklace that was described as “Indian Beads”, and James was fully clothed except his shoes. He had a bracelet on his wrist that identified him, and also depicted him as a member of the Church of Scientology.

It was determined that they had been killed with a long bladed knife or bayonet, and an investigation felt that there was a good possibility that they had both been murdered by a Manson family member. They had been stabbed about 50 times each, their eyes slashed, and potentially whipped with a chain. There was semen found on and in Doreen’s body. Initially, it was thought that they were the victims of shotgun blasts. The bodies also had tire marks from a motorcycle. Detective Lt. Earl A. Deemer stated that, “The wounds of Gaul, Sharp, and Doe 59, looked like the work of a fanatic”.

Reet Jurvetson, who was Jane Doe 59 for over 45 years
As a quick reference, James and Doreen had been found on November 21st, 1969, and Jane Doe 59 (Reet Jurvetson) had been found on November 15th, of that same year.

In the police report, Doreen’s wounds were mostly to her chest, neck, and head. All to the front. James had many wounds to the back of him. While he had 15 to the chest, and 3 to the right of him, he also had 8 in the back of his head, 1 in the back of his neck, 1 to the back of his right arm, 16 to the back, and three defense wounds in his left hand. To me this suggests that there were potentially 2 killers, James and Doreen were taken by surprised and potentially even separated, and James was attacked from behind with no warning. The police report goes on to say that there were at least 2 people involved.


Thursday, February 27, 2020

What Happened To Ronnie Howard after The Manson Trial?





Anyone that is familiar with the Manson trial knows that the story of how it all happened was essentially broken when Susan Atkins went to Sybil Brand. For those that don’t know, in October of 1969, just a couple months after the Tate-LaBianca murders, Susan was arrested and put in jail for a whole other charge, arson. At the time, the police were really looking at the The Family for a series of auto thefts that kept happening in the area, and a burnt truck in Death Valley got their attention. In fact, a week after the Tate murders, she and others were initially arrested at Spahn Ranch, but were later released since the warrant used had an incorrect date. So after the first arrest, the group went up to their other hub in Death Valley-Barker Ranch. Through various things that led the police to them, Atkins and some of the others were arrested again, and incarcerated. Initially, it really only seemed that the group was an auto-theft, chop-shop ring, until Susan decided to explain it all.



Susan ended up in Sybil Brand Institute, in dormitory 8000. According to transcripts, Susan’s bed was next to Ronnie Howard’s, of which she told Howard she felt, “We are next to each other for a reason.”. At Sybil Brand, Susan earned the nickname of “Crazy Sadie”, the other inmates thought that she was a nut. She was seen dancing, singing, and generally way too happy to be in jail. For one reason or another, Susan felt that she could confide in her fellow inmates Ronnie Howard and Virginia Graham, not about the auto theft charges, but instead of the murders.

While in lockup, Susan would tell on multiple occasions, her story on the murders. She really seemed to relish in tell others about it, perhaps either as a trophy of sorts, or maybe she believed that they would be impressed with her. In reality, Ronnie and Virginia were horrified, and wanted to tell the authorities.



As the story goes, Ronnie Howard and Virginia Graham were conflicted about telling someone what had happened. In jail themselves, the two women weren’t squeaky clean and had been incarcerated in the past. At the time, Howard was in jail for forging a prescription, and Graham had a parole violation. The two women had also been call girls in the past. Knowing that snitches were frowned upon, the two were unsure what to do, but eventually decided to tell someone the truth.

It was hard to get into contact with someone for both women, as the system wouldn’t easily want to hear them, but to make a long story short, Ronnie Howard was able to make a phone call at a payphone (after paying other people ahead of her in line), when about to get on a prison bus to go to court. She was able to briefly get in contact with the LAPD and tell them what Susan Atkins had told her about the Tate case.



Even though I’ve read a few books, watched many documentaries and videos on the whole case, I never really came across much about what exactly happened when Ronnie went to court. All I really know is that Virginia Graham and Ronnie Howard both testified at the trial.

As a personal anecdote, when I came across this whole rabbit hole, it wasn’t until halfway through reading the Manson book by Guinn that I wondered what ever happened to some of these people. Ronnie was one of them, and I always figured that by now, in 2020, she surely wouldn’t be with us anymore, though probably lived a long good life. Unfortunately I was wrong.

Ten years after the murders, after Susan Atkins told it all at Sybil Brand, Ronnie Howard passed away. There are two main sources for this information, her Find a grave profile, and the end of ‘Helter Skelter’ by Bugliosi. Both sources state the same thing, though each have certain details that the other doesn’t have.



First of all, after the trial, both Ronnie and Virginia were considered snitches. On page 631 of my copy of Helter Skelter, near the end of the page, it stated that Ronnie tried to work as a cocktail waitress “but found it difficult to hold a job”. It is stated that she was looked down upon as the “Manson case snitch” and even had been beaten up several times on her way home from work. At one point, there was a bullet shot into her apartment, through the living room window. The bullet only missed her head by 6 inches. Apparently the next day she had talked to reporters, stating that she “should have kept my mouth shut in the first place”.

On September 21st, 1979, Ronnie had came back to Los Angeles from Las Vegas. She had gone with her husband and his brother, and according to the two sources, she was waiting on the men as they got the luggage. Now, Find a grave states that she was kidnapped, by someone who claimed to be a cab driver. In Helter Skelter, Bugliosi wrote that Ronnie had been beaten by two unknown men. Either way, the person or men took Ronnie, just as her husband and brother-in-law were coming with the luggage. They drove her to 60th and Western, where she was robbed and beaten.

Apparently after they robbed her of $400 in cash and $800 in jewelry, they dumped her in an industrial district, and later she called her husband telling him what happened. A police report was made, and it was found that she had been beaten with a blunt instrument on her head and thighs.

After the incident, Ronnie was described as having suffered from nausea, dizziness, and headaches. She became increasingly lethargic and was taken to Queen of Angels hospital on September 25th of that year. Ronnie was treated then released, but on October 1st, she was found incontinent, and unable to get out of bed. At this point, Ronnie was taken to Cedars Sinai and at this point her eyes were absent, like “doll’s eyes”. On October 3rd, 1979, Ronnie Howard passed away at 12:30 pm of blunt force trauma, brain stem compression, subdural hematoma, and cerebral edema. She was 43 years old.

Those that have read about what happened believe that Ronnie was a target of the remainders of the Manson Family, since she snitched on what Susan told her. Police stated that her death was not related to the Tate-LaBianca case, though many people believe otherwise.

Ronnie Howard is buried in Los Angeles Odd Fellows Cemetery, in Los Angeles, California.

SOURCES:

Helter Skelter

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/32243782/ronnie-howard



Thursday, January 23, 2020

Who Was Reet Jurvetson?

Who Was Reet Jurvetson, and What Happened To Her?

Reet at Age 18


Marina Habe | She was killed 11 months before Reet
When looking unsolved murders and especially those related to the Manson Family, two names that always seem to pop up are Marina Habe and Reet Jurvetson. For almost 50 years, Reet was known as Jane Doe 59 (or Sherry Doe 59), until she was identified in 2015. While we know how she was found, there are so many questions as to how she ended up the way she did.

Reet Jurvetson was born September 23rd, 1950, in Sweden. She was the child of Estonian parents, with an older brother and sister, that fled their country in 1944 during the height of WWII. Her family settled in Montreal, Quebec, where she subsequently grew up. Reet’s sister describes her as having been a “lovely’, free-spritied, and happy girl”. Reet enjoyed sewing her own clothes, was artistic, and drew well. She sang in her youth choir and was involved in Girl Guides (Girl Scouts in the U.S.). Reet’s sister described that she was loved by friends and family deeply. Reet’s friends also knew her to be free spirited. She really seemed to be a ‘child of the modern day’ as I would personally observe, since she enjoyed things that many young people do today. She liked music such as The Rolling Stones, and The Doors. 
 
Reet on the far right, in the blue dress

According to the Reet Jurvetson website, Reet grew a taste for adventure and freedom, while also being naive and trusting of others. She is stated as having a strict family life that included revolving around the church, in which she ended up rebelling against. 



She moved to Toronto, Ontario and found work at the Canada Post. There, she lived with her grandmother. It was here that she met a man named Jean at a cafe, which from what I have read, was called ‘Cafe Image’. She is described as having been absolutely smitten with this man, who bore a strong resemblance to Jim Morrison from The Doors. This Jean character then moved to Los Angeles, California. At the age of 19, Reet is cited as having decided to visit California in the fall of 1969. Reet is described as having decided to visit California to see Jean, then deciding to live there, and/or going to America to visit her older brother in Arizona, stopping in Los Angeles first to see Jean. Friends of Reet stated that initially she was going to try hitchhiking to Los Angeles, but was eventually convinced to take a bus instead. Eventually she made it to her destination.



While there she apparently decided to stay in California, and sent her parents and a close friend postcards stating that she was happy, and told her parents not to worry. The postcard to her friend was of the Hollywood sign, and the one to her family was of the coast. This would be the last time that anyone heard from her.

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On November 16th, 1969, a 15 year old boy who’d been bird watching found the body of a white female fully clothed off Mulholland Drive in Los Angeles. The woman had been stabbed multiple times, with many of the wounds on her neck. The victim died of these wounds about two days before her body had been discovered. The body had seemingly been dumped in the spot, and a tree branch prevented her body from rolling down the 699 foot (213 m) ravine completely. The branch that held the doe’s body was 15 feet (5m) down the ravine. 



The autopsy found that the doe had been stabbed over 150 times (157), in the neck, chest, and torso with a pen knife. The amount of wounds indicated overkill, and to this day is believed to be a crime of passion because of this. Defensive wounds were found, on her hands, and some of the other wounds severed her carotid artery. It is believed that her body was dumped in the location it was found, and that the murderer was right handed. She wasn’t a victim of robbery or sexual assault, had eaten about two hours before being killed, and neither drugs or alcohol were found to be in her system. 

 

The doe was listed as having been between 20-23 years old, 5’9”, and 112 pounds. She had green eyes, dark brown hair, and vaccination scars on her left arm and left thigh. A one quarter inch scar was below her left breast, with a birthmark on her right buttock. She had received several silver amalgam fillings in both her upper and lower jaw. Other than these points, there weren’t any other identifying marks, or items in her possession that could have identified her.



The investigation as to what happened to this doe concluded that the victim had been placed in the back seat of a car, driven to the disposal site, and her body dragged out of the car to be thrown down the ravine. On November 21st of that year, a pair of Liberty Brand glasses were found 50 feet from the doe’s body. The person that would have owned the glasses would have been nearsighted, though overall, there was never any lead to go on about the glasses.

Her clothes


Initially, the doe was believed to be from either Spain or Canada, since her clothes were made from both places. She was found wearing cut-off shorts from Massachusetts, a leather belt with a brass belt buckle, and a sweater. She also wore two metal rings, one being white, and the other yellow. The yellow ring had a red stone, and the white one had Native American designs, having been made in Mexico. 

The rings she wore




A drawing of the doe’s face was created not too long after she was found. Afterwards, the drawings were made by Barbara Martin-Bailey. Eventually, a forensically reconstructed picture of the doe’s face was made, to give a guess as to what she may have looked like in life.

Because of the location of the doe’s body, the authorities suspected that the Manson family had something to do with it. During this time period, the Tate-LaBianca murders had already happened, and most of the Family murderers were already being questioned. Apparently, Manson himself was asked before and after the doe was identified if he knew of any involvement, but he denied any. In 2016 when the doe was identified as Reet, Manson was asked again, but despite claiming any knowledge, LAPD stated him and his associates were not cleared. 



Interestingly, a woman fitting the doe’s description was recalled being seen at Spahn Ranch. Apparently a person who may or may not have been from the Family, informed the police of this, and stated that the doe went by the name ‘Sherry’.

Nonetheless, the doe remained unknown for 45 years until 2015.

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In 2015, a friend, Gilda Green, of Reet’s older sister, Anne, had been searching through the NamUS website (National Missing and Unidentified Persons System) when they had came across Jane Doe 59’s morgue photo. They claimed that when they saw the photo, they thought that it had looked like Reet. The friend told another friend, to confirm that they though it looked like Reet, of which they then told Anne. Anne submitted her DNA which was compared to a bloodstained bra of the doe’s. The DNA matched. Jane Doe 59 was Anne’s sister.

In April 2016, a formal announcement was made that Jane Doe 59 was Reet Jurvetson, who had gone missing after moving to Los Angeles from Canada.

Once Anne Jurvetson had seen the reconstruction picture and drawings of her sister, she criticized all of them, due to their inaccuracy. Anne stated that they had little representation as to how her sister had appeared in life. And I agree with this, though it is interesting to note, that the autopsy photo of Reet that is commonly shown was considered too disturbing, and was “cleaned” or doctored to hide the stab wounds (keep in mind that she had many, many knife wounds in her neck). Another point I have is that there were three drawings of Reet as the doe, yet only 2 drawings are every typically circulated. The third one is never seen, and it wasn’t until I personally saw a documentary on the mystery that I saw it. I will show it here.

This drawing of Reet definitely looks like her. I wonder if Anne ever saw this one.


Once Reet was identified, little more was done to examine the case; as we have more information now than 5 or 6 years ago, but it’s still not enough. The events that happened were described as before: Reet, working at the Post Office, became smitten with a man who was either than John or Jean. Jean may have been a medical student and spoke with a slight French accent, and moved to California. Reet wanted to follow Jean, and so she went along to Los Angeles too. She moved into an apartment into the now demolished 4 story Paramount hotel at 5311 Melrose Avenue. At about several weeks after moving to California, she sent a postcard to her parents in her native tongue. Translated, the card reads:

The back of the postcard


Dear Mother and Father,
The Weather is nice, and the people are kind.
I have a nice little apartment.
I go frequently to the beach.
Please write to me.
Hugs, Reet

Her family tried to respond many times in the future, but there wasn’t any response.

An ad that Reet's mother put out in 1979


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The main suspect of the case is the “Jean” character, though in everything I have read about the case, I haven’t ever come across a last name for this person. Reet lived with Jean and a roommate of his, another unnamed man. Jean was described as having been a Jim Morrison looking man, and the roommate was a shorter man, that had a Beatles style haircut. Allegedly, Reet left or moved out of the apartment from Jean and his roommate on her own volition, though everything was fine. Jean from Canada, or another Jean told Gilda in 1970 upon bumping into her,"Oh yeah, she was with us for a couple of weeks and then she left on her own and everything's fine. She was happy”. Either way, no-one really knows where Reet went after she moved away from the Jeans. (Apparently both men she lived with were potentially named Jean. Seriously.).

There was a third suspect, an M.Lindhorst, who lived across the apartment when she was at the Paramount. 

Another picture of her clothes


A show called the Fifth Estate has also looked into this case, and they learned of a man that may have also been living in this same building as Reet. This man was an admitted heroin addict that tried to burn another man on fire. Apparently the Fifth Estate contacted LAPD about this man, but they were “tight lipped”.

The case went cold until 2003, when a bloody bra was found in a cold case box, and other items from the case were then entered into the computer system. The bra was found essentially in a spot where it shouldn’t have been. The detective that had been working on Reet’s cold case stumbled across it. In the documentary from the Fifth Estate, the bra should have been destroyed with the other evidence of the case. 

Which...why would they destroy the evidence? I don’t understand that at all. 

Some of Reet's art. A Self portrait?
 

In the time that Reet has been identified, there has been a website made in her memory and describing the last events that happened before she was never seen again. Many people that came to know the story of Reet Jurvetson asked many questions, such as, “Why wasn’t she ever reported missing?”. Anne states on the website that her parents “Never thought to report Reet missing to the police. They thought that she was just living her life somewhere and that eventually news from her would turn up.”. But in reality, they also did not know “how to find someone on the other side of the continent, in another country, if that was even where she still was.”.

Even though they never reported Reet missing, they grieved her disappearance, and hired people to try finding her. Anne stated, “Attempts were made to reach her, but they proved fruitless.”. These attempts include:

-Family member Tonu soliciting a family friend that was in Los Angeles to “make inquiries” at Reet’s former address.

-Either Reet’s father or another family member hiring a private investigator to find Reet. This investigator (I presume, or Reet’s family) did not know how to find her, with her disappearing so far from them. 

Reet with Childhood friend Gilda


Reet’s niece wrote on the website that the Jurvetson family did not file her missing because they honestly did not know that that was what you did. Back then it was believed that the police were contacted in the event of a crime, not for missing persons. Her niece also goes into a few theories about the private investigator, theorizing that her grandfather or uncle never even hired one, there was one hired, but they took the money and ran, or finally, that there was an investigator that looked and went through police records, but the forensic drawings didn’t look like Reet. Even Reet’s niece states that one of the three forensic drawings even looked a bit like Reet. 

 

And honestly, I understand all of this. Unfortunately many things that I have read about that time, there was the mentality that if someone young back then went missing, the police just chalked it up to people wanting to explore the world. Which, in some ways was what Reet did, but up to a point.

Even still, there is the question, what happened to Reet after she moved out from the Jeans?

If what Jean from 1970 told Reet’s friend was true, that Reet moved out and everything was okay, where did she go?

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Of course, eyes go back to the Manson family, and their time at Spahn Ranch. I have read a few different theories about Reet having been on the ranch for a small amount of time before her murder, but the end conclusion is all the same. Many people think that if Reet was a Manson victim, it was because she knew too much.



To preface, before Reet was killed on November 14th (or 15th potentially), there was a man named Christopher Jesus, Zero, or better yet, John Haught (his real name) that died on November 5th of that year. Zero’s death was considered a suicide, though the circumstances circling around his death have always been considered peculiar. Essentially, the story goes that Zero went to play Russian Roulette with a revolver, and member Little Patty (Madaline Joan Cottage) told him there was only one bullet in the gun. Zero allegedly spun the chamber, and shot himself. Upon examination, the revolver was fully loaded, and the gun was wiped of fingerprints. In various stories, it is stated that Bruce Davis went up to Zero, shocked that he killed himself, and picked up the gun. Supposedly, once Davis ‘realized what he had done’, he wiped the gun of prints. According to the Cielo Drive page on Zero, an anonymous person stated that one of the girls shot Zero. In Jeff Guinn’s book about Manson, apparently Charlie felt like Zero was weak and would squeal, so he wanted someone to take care of him. I have also read that Zero apparently wanted to die, but he wanted to die when he climaxed, so when he was about to ejaculate, he supposedly shot himself in the head.

Either way, in the theories I have read about Reet, people speculate that she saw what happened to Zero, and potentially was going to tell the truth about what happened, or it seemed that she was going to tell the truth. In order to prevent that from happening, they silenced her. 

 

What is interesting though, is that in Reet’s autopsy, coal dust was found in her lungs, suggesting that she lived near coal mines; there was no evidence of smog in her lungs, suggesting that she was (of course) a newcomer. Tuberculosis was found in her lungs though, which is very interesting since she had some vaccination scars, but I guess she never got vaccinated for that. Also interesting to me is, how did she even catch that?
Allegedly, people at Spahn ranch had seen before she disappeared, and supposedly was even on the phone at Zero’s the day he died. 

The pants she wore
 

At Spahn ranch, there was a woman named Ruby Pearl, who was partial caretaker, partial girlfriend of George Spahn. Apparently Pearl saw Reet at the Ranch, and when shown the clothing that Reet/Jane Doe 59 had worn, she said that she recognized the shirt. Pearl stated that the shirt was something that one of the girls at Spahn ranch was wearing at one point. The name of the girl that Pearl mentioned was called ‘Sherry’.

The real Simi Valley Sherry
 

Now, before Jane Doe 59 was identified as Reet, there was the idea that Doe 59 was someone called Simi Valley Sherry. This was was the same Sherry Cooper that ended up marrying Danny DeCarlo after the initial Family fizzled out. Basically, Simi Valley Sherry wasn’t Reet. Though, I do not knock the possibility that, if Reet was at Spahn, she went by another name, possibly being known as Sherry. Many if not all members of the Manson Family had multiple aliases, for example Patricia Krenwinkel also went by Katie, and Marnie.

It should also be pointed out that if Reet were the victim of Manson and The Family, she was not the only one. Other than Zero and Marina Habe, there are other people, such as: Joel Pugh, Doreen Gaul, James Sharp, Laurence Marrick, Mark Walts, Nancy Warren, Clida Delaney, Darwin Scott, and Rose Tashman that are believed to been Mason victims too. 

Reet's apartment to where she was found.


Going back to the apartment that Reet had before allegedly moving out, the proximity to where she was found was not very far. If you recall, Reet’s apartment with the Jeans was at 5311 Melrose Ave, and of course, she was found on Mulholland, the same exact area where Marina Habe was. The general area of where this apartment was, and where her body was found honestly makes me suspicious. Unfortunately there are no more leads to this area, other than the fact that once again, Spahn ranch, Gary Hinman’s House, and even Eloise Hardt’s houses weren’t that far away. Make of that what you will.

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While reading over a web sleuth thread on Reet, some of the people there mentioned some details that I hadn’t seen anywhere else. One point was that at the age of 16, Reet ran away. So in a way, this prior incident may have been one of the reasons why the family initially did not say anything or report her missing. Saying it without saying it, they may have just believed that she essentially ran away again. The web sleuths thread also speculated that it was a bit odd how Reet’s family overall reacted to situation, which personally, I chalk up to cultural and generational differences. An interesting tidbit I read though, was that Reet’s older brother died in December of 2014, she wasn’t discovered by the friend until 2015. While Anne knew the results of the DNA test in December of that year, it wasn’t until April of 2016 that the formal announcement came out of her identity. I think that it is an interesting idea, though of course there is not proof. 



An interesting tidbit that was stated way before, was that at the scene where her body was found, there was a pair of Liberty brand glasses. A pair of glasses was also found at the Tate murder sight, though there was never any connection about the glasses. While even brought up in ‘Helter Skelter’, they were a red herring. I looked into this herring a little further though, and it seems that apparently Manson himself left the glasses behind as either way to throw off the police, or connect the Tate murder to the Hinman murder. I have read different theories about this. While at the Reet murder, the glasses left there were stated as having been Liberty brand, the ones left behind at the Tate murder never had the brand specified (from what I read). I could see them also being Liberty brand also, since the website for Liberty glasses is stating as having been around since 1929. 



What I wonder either way, is where the glasses came from in the first place. They were not a pair of cheaters from the store, but proven to be someone’s prescription. In the book ‘Helter Skelter’ optometrists everywhere contacted about anyone having had the same prescription as the glasses found at the Tate scene, though no-one ever seemed to have compared. The person that would have worn the glasses was, as described in an article:

-probably a man.
-from 20 to 40 years old.
-had a small head.
-One of his ears was about a quarter of an inch lower than the other.

I have seen people in forums state that the glasses didn’t belong to anyone in the Family. And that may be true. But apparently Manson wouldn’t let anyone wear glasses in the Family, though I have seen mugshot photos of a couple of people with them on. The only killers that I have ever seen wear glasses post incarceration would be Krenwinkel and Tex Watson. But other than that, I don’t know. It is possible that the glasses at Reet’s site may have just been random glasses unconnected to her, or they were another ‘tie in’ to the Hinman murder. If so, this would support the Copy-cat theory that the Tate-LaBianca murders were only committed to let Bobby out of Jail. Though of course, there is always the theory that she either knew too much and had to be silenced, or was “asked” to join and said no. Some people point out how similar to Sharon Tate that Reet looked, and honestly I don’ think that had anything to do with it. Sharon wasn’t targeted for being Sharon Tate. It was Sharon and four other people murdered that night.

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Back to Reet:

 
Paul Robert

In the Fifth Estate doc, there were friends of Reet’s that were able to give a crime scene artist a view of what the Jean character may have looked like. Of course, Jean supposedly looked like Jim Morrison. What I thought was interesting though, was that a picture of one of Reet’s friends (Paul Robert) from when he was young was shown, and he looked like Jim Morrison…. 

Paul Robert Young...who looks a lot like Morrison


Either way here are the pictures of what he is reported to have looked like:

Paul Robert's drawing of Jean


Jean was stated as having been about 5’9”. Because no-one seems to know his last name, The Fifth Estate and LAPD are asking for anyone to have went to the following Canadian High Schools to scan their yearbooks, so that they could potentially find Jean.

  • Montreal High School (F.A.C.E. School)
  • Herzilah High School
  • James Lyng High School
  • Laurier MacDonald High School
  • Lester B. Pearson High School
  • Rosemont High School
  • Montreal West High School (Royal West Academy)
  • St. George’s School of Montreal
  • Vincent Massey Collegiate
  • College Prep International


So overall, what do you think happened? If this Jean person was even real, maybe he killed her in a rage. But overkill? I almost think that whoever killed her maybe got mad that she wouldn’t be with them, for example, saying no to dating them. But to murdered for that, stabbed 157 times just doesn’t make sense to me. Further, her death is way too similar to Marina Habe’s to not be connected, let alone a passion crime because someone may have been in love with her. 

For quick reference, both Reet and Marina died of stabbings, especially from neck wounds. Both women had their carotid arteries severed, and both women were dumped in the same spots, found 2 days after they were murdered. Both were interested/dating men named John (or Jean). Both women were not raped, did not have drugs in their bodies, and both were fully clothed. Yet, LAPD did not realize that the cases were so related. All LAPD did back then was write down 2 sentences stating that they were aware of the Habe case.
Finally, there is the contention that perhaps Reet was the victim of Rodney Alcala. Alcala was in California at this time I believe, and the murderer is renown for having taken pictures of women, and no-one seeing the women ever again. There is the idea that this following picture is of Reet, potentially. 



While I state that that’s a possibility, I don’t know if Alcala could be her murderer, because he almost always raped his victims.
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Reet’s parents passed away before they ever knew what happened to their daughter. Once Reet’s older sister Anne found out that she was murdered, Anne wished to at least get the ashes or body to have her buried. Unfortunately, this was not possible. To make the situation worse, Reet’s body was cremated and the ashes were buried in a mass grave with other unidentified bodies from the morgue at that time. 

Anne keeps her distance from the public, and wishes that anyone who has any information on Reet and her case, to contact the Los Angeles Police Department, since the case is still open. If you know anything, please come forward. 




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